how do stances, hex, enchants stack? (evading) - Guild Wars Forums

Schorny · Aug 25, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Hi Guys.

I was wondering how stances, hexes and enchants work together. Let's say for example you have one guy who got
Bonnetis Defense (75% chance to evade)
Aegis (50% chance to evade)
Ward against Meele (50% chance to evade)
and
Rigor Mortis (100% chance to not evade)

How will they stack? What will be calculated first?

Aegis and WaM would give him 75% chance to evade, right?
How much is the chance of evading with Aegis, WaM and Rigor Mortis?

I'm really curious on how this works. My guess is that Rigor Mortis would be the strongest and the target has 0% chance of evading. But the explanation "is the strongest" is kind of bad

so, I really would like to get some insights here.

Savio · Aug 25, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Yes, Rigor Mortis would just cancel out all the others. I don't know how the others stack up though, if there's a limit to evading or blocking.

Mario 64 Master · Aug 25, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Rigor Mortis would override all of them. You can figure this out logically because, well, if the others overrode it the skill would do literally nothing because by default you don't block or evade anyway.

Schorny · Aug 25, 2005, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

Yes, Rigor Mortis would just cancel out all the others.

I thought that. But I really want to know _why_. The explanation "because it won't be logical if rigor mortis couldn't cut through a stance" is not going to satisfy me. I would like to know the rationale/the reason on how it is calculated to get more insight in the "behind the scenes games mechanic".

Thank you for your reply

Mario 64 Master · Aug 25, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

The rationale is that since the skill exists, it does something. And if it didn't override chance to evade, it would do nothing.

There's not much more to it than that.

EDIT: In real life, a bullet has a chance to kill you if you're hit by it. If you're hiding in a little box with thick steel walls, you "cannot be killed" by a bullet. Get it?

Savio · Aug 25, 2005, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Quote:

For 8-18 seconds, target foe cannot block or evade.

Since a percentage isn't included with Rigor Mortis, it happens all the time. I'm guessing that the game, before it does its evade check, checks once for Rigor Mortis or something else that stops evades. Since it's on, the game says, "Eh, he can't evade. He takes damage." It wouldn't even bother with checking Bonetti's, Aegis, or any other skill because the game already knows that you can't evade. That's what I'm thinking, anyway.

So... Can anyone help with stacking evade?

Rajamic · Aug 25, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Evasion percentages stack multiplicatively. That is, thinking of it another way, it checks to see if you evade due to skill A, then if you evade due to skill B, etc. etc., and if any succedd, you evade.

Illusion Of Ender · Aug 25, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

It's because Rigor Mortis is just sitting there, waiting for something to be blocked or evaded. It works like this...

Ward Against Melee, Aegis, etc have a chance to block or evade an attack. When an attack is successfully blocked/evaded, a little flag goes up and rigor cancels the block or evade.

Attacks CANNOT be blocked or evaded without a skill being used (they can only miss). So it is obviously logical that Rigor will override any skill that will block/evade. That is its purpose.

Aug 25, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21	#1
Schorny Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005	how do stances, hex, enchants stack? (evading) Hi Guys. I was wondering how stances, hexes and enchants work together. Let's say for example you have one guy who got Bonnetis Defense (75% chance to evade) Aegis (50% chance to evade) Ward against Meele (50% chance to evade) and Rigor Mortis (100% chance to not evade) How will they stack? What will be calculated first? Aegis and WaM would give him 75% chance to evade, right? How much is the chance of evading with Aegis, WaM and Rigor Mortis? I'm really curious on how this works. My guess is that Rigor Mortis would be the strongest and the target has 0% chance of evading. But the explanation "is the strongest" is kind of bad so, I really would like to get some insights here.

Aug 25, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24	#3
Mario 64 Master wats going on Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trumbull, Connecticut Guild: Nuclear Launch Detected [Nu] Profession: W/Mo	Rigor Mortis would override all of them. You can figure this out logically because, well, if the others overrode it the skill would do literally nothing because by default you don't block or evade anyway. __________________ Last edited by Mario 64 Master; Aug 25, 2005 at 08:37 AM // 08:37..

Aug 25, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29	#5
Mario 64 Master wats going on Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trumbull, Connecticut Guild: Nuclear Launch Detected [Nu] Profession: W/Mo	The rationale is that since the skill exists, it does something. And if it didn't override chance to evade, it would do nothing. There's not much more to it than that. EDIT: In real life, a bullet has a chance to kill you if you're hit by it. If you're hiding in a little box with thick steel walls, you "cannot be killed" by a bullet. Get it? __________________ Last edited by Mario 64 Master; Aug 25, 2005 at 08:38 AM // 08:38..

Aug 25, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24	#2
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Yes, Rigor Mortis would just cancel out all the others. I don't know how the others stack up though, if there's a limit to evading or blocking.

Aug 25, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35	#7
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Evasion percentages stack multiplicatively. That is, thinking of it another way, it checks to see if you evade due to skill A, then if you evade due to skill B, etc. etc., and if any succedd, you evade.

Aug 25, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53	#8
Illusion Of Ender Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: MN, USA Guild: Scions of Carver Profession: Me/Mo	It's because Rigor Mortis is just sitting there, waiting for something to be blocked or evaded. It works like this... Ward Against Melee, Aegis, etc have a chance to block or evade an attack. When an attack is successfully blocked/evaded, a little flag goes up and rigor cancels the block or evade. Attacks CANNOT be blocked or evaded without a skill being used (they can only miss). So it is obviously logical that Rigor will override any skill that will block/evade. That is its purpose.